S2: E11- Embracing Our Minds and Our ADHD Superpowers!

I am so grateful for this woman and this important conversation! Bertha Delgadillo joins me for this episode and together we share our journeys with our late in life diagnosis of ADHD and how we’re working to understand our Brains and unleash our superpowers! We hope to see you at our session at ACTFL this year in Philadelphia!

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Annabelle Williamson  

Welcome back to my podcast teaching la vida loca for season two. I'm Annabelle, your Maestra loca, and I am ready to kick off season two with even more enthusiasm, magic and tips and tricks for your classroom. Get set for a ride of inspiration, unapologetic authenticity, and ideas to spark more joy in your teaching journey. I'm turning up the excitement and elated to have you right here with me. I'm not just your host, I'm your cheerleader and I am thrilled you're tuning in, buckle up and let's do this. Let's tackle teaching la vida loca together.

Annabelle Williamson  

Hello there. You are in for such a treat today. Bertha Delgadillo is joining me to talk about our journeys with a late diagnosis of ADHD. Both of us were diagnosed within the last year and a half. I am, I actually don't know how old Bertha is, but I think she's around my age. I am going to be 35 I think this year. Wait, I was born in 89? Yes, I think this month I am turning 35. Yes. In fact, I know I am because this whole pregnancy they've said I have a geriatric pregnancy because my due date is around my 35th birthday. So, I am of advanced maternal age or geriatric, as they say. And yeah, so very late diagnosis, in my opinion. But I know that there are people out there who get diagnosed even later in life than this. So, if you are a person who is curious to learn more about adults with ADHD, or children with ADHD, or the students that you teach with ADHD, or you're wondering if maybe you yourself have ADHD and you're not sure, then tune in, we are so excited you are here. Welcome to Episode 11 of teaching la vida loca. Okay, here she is love professora Bertha Delgadillo, my friend. I'm so excited about this episode, because this is something we have talked about for months and months and months. And we've tried to get together and then mostly because of me had to cancel a million times. And recently, we got accepted. Our proposal was accepted to ACTFL to talk about this exact topic, which is like supporting teachers who have ADHD in the classroom, because both of us were recently diagnosed with ADHD. And today, we want to talk to you about our late in life diagnoses and our experiences lately. And hi, Bertha, how are you?

Bertha Delgadillo  

I am so happy to be here. And that we finally were able to make it happen, you know that you said that. It's your fault. But it's also a little bit of my fault it’s no one's fault. It just, you know, I mean, it. It happened when it meant to happen. So here we are. Finally, and I'm so happy to talk about this because it's something that I know having this conversation with you about this time last year, and it was not necessarily about ADHD, but just having a conversation about what I was going through has been a game changer for me. So, thank you, I'm happy to be here.

Annabelle Williamson  

I'm really, glad you're here. And I remember it came up. I was talking to a friend about a year and a half ago, I guess. And she, I was just, like, frustrated with myself and like my inability to get things done and my inability to get things started even and feeling like I'm always going 100 miles an hour and yet going nowhere. And yet everybody's like, oh my gosh, how do you do all the things? I'm like, I don't even know how I do all the things because I feel like I'm doing nothing, you know. So, I was talking to my friend, and she goes, Annabelle, you know you have ADHD, right? And I said, well, no, I don't. I mean, I, no. She was like, Dude, what are you talking about you absolutely have ADHD. And I started to like, listen to this podcast that I found, because you know how our phones listen in on everything. But podcasts were recommended to me. And her name is Alexis Das and she has this podcast called, I literally can't think of it. I'll link it in the show notes. My brain is gone right now. You know, hello, ADHD anyways. But she is a business coach for people with ADHD and she herself has ADHD. So, I listened to a couple episodes, and I was like, oh my god, it describes everything about me. Even just the other night Paul found the TIK TOK, and he was like, oh my God, and He showed it to me. And I don't know if you do this, but it was this husband like showing off his wife's Doom boxes. And I was like, Oh my God, what? And so, I'm always learning these new things. I have literally all if you could see my office, I have like eight boxes and bags spread out everywhere. And they're doomed bags, I've learned this world, where it's just like the place where I just shove everything because, like, I like it's way like, I can't see it. So, I'll deal with it later. And then I shove that into a doom closet. And then it's like, out of sight out of mind. Do you have Doom boxes and bags?

Bertha Delgadillo  

I do I do, especially for I find that what laundry I mean, you know, it, I clean my laundry. My husband helped me out with my laundry a lot when I'm super busy. But um, but yes, like I can well, I can hang clothes, clothes. I'm sorry, I can fold clothes. But whatever needs hanging, it gets put on that on that. And maybe I mean, you'll get taken care of, but it's out of sight out of mind for maybe two weeks until I need it. And then I'm like, oh, okay, I have energy to do this today. And then I forced myself to hang it but hanging clothes to me. In the classrooms, in the classroom. Do you have any of them? 

Annabelle Williamson  

Oh my God, so many corners of doom, doom corners. Like, bad doom drawers like, so bad. But um, yeah, so the Doom spaces in general, what the heck. But the more I read about it, the more I learned about it, the more I thought, dang, I really want to get a diagnosis and then talking to you, you were struggling with so many of these things that I was like, dang, you sound just like me. And so, I'm glad that I could encourage you on that journey to get your own diagnosis. Would you share a little bit about that journey and how it's been for you discovering later in life? That you have ADHD?

Bertha Delgadillo  

Yes, of course, of course. Like I said, like you said we were sharing because we will talk about some of the same things we're going through, and how we were feeling and you know, there were all these feelings of inadequacy of just in whatever we were not accomplishing. And I, that's when I started my doctoral program to which was about a year ago, and I was just mentioning, oh, why I can do this, the way that it needs to be done. And same with trying to have my blog running. Because as you know, we love blogging, and we love sharing ideas, and, and we have, you know, teacher businesses. So, trying to run that to while teaching, I mean, it's already a lot for a person who doesn't have ADHD for a neurotypical person. But I'm not and not knowing that here I am trying to play catch up all the time, I'm feeling like I have energy for nothing, having some days where I can tackle everything and having most of the days where I can do zero, or, and it's easy things like the things that should take you five minutes, and you just keep putting up for whatever reason. And there was so much of that. But really what brought to the surface very clearly like in your face for me was how I was struggling. The first the first set of classes for my doctoral program, because I had to be super strict with that. And myself. And I said, what is going on with me? There's, there's I don't understand why I can't do this thing that I used to be able to do, because when I was in college decades ago, because there are literally decades, right? Well, decade and a half. The last time I was in college, I you know, I've always been the person that that's like, Oh, you're an overachiever. You're an overachiever. And, and I've been super functional. And now it just felt like I wasn't but like you told me and I was like, you have so much gone on. And not only that, but we got into this conversation about like, we're just wired differently. And you gave me some examples of how, you know how you experienced it. And I said, oh, man, yes, I this happens to me, too. So, I also went through a rabbit hole because you know, a teacher does what a teacher does, which I did go on a podcast too. And I found a podcast as well, that helped me understand the podcast that I listened to is "I have ADHD", and the podcaster she has, I can't remember her name. Sorry, but that is the name of her podcast and, and she has several episodes for you know, what does it look like in you know, she breaks out executive functioning, which is the big thing for us. And she also talks about how if people had felt through their diagnosis, how to look for that official diagnosis. I mean, you know, she just addresses everything and there are many, many wonderful ADHD podcasts that are free. So that's how I started learning and then I just call them I call the doctor because I really, He wanted to make sure that I did well on my doctoral program. And I did not want to quit my doctoral program. So, I call an office and set up an appointment with a psychiatrist. And I went through a series of q&a with him. And you know, he said, I had many of the symptoms, and that if I wanted to try medication that I could, and I was very open to it. And I know Annabelle, you and I have had different journeys with that, and we had this conversation too. But for me, it was like, okay, you know, I have, I did not know, I had this, I've been living with this all my life. And now it makes a lot of sense, a lot of things from my past, makes so much sense now that I understand what this is. And yes, I do want to try medication. So, I have, I did get myself on that. And a couple months later, like as in recently, I went ahead and got the full diagnosis, because you can go to the psychiatrist, and you know, go through the q&a s and you know, have that conversation with a professional and be given a diagnosis, but the actual full-blown diagnosis, I that's a little bit more expensive. And I decided that I wanted to get it because I wanted to find out where at with a full diagnosis, you can know your strengths and weaknesses, through that assessment, and through those assessments. And that was very helpful, and heartbreaking for me. But it is, it is, it was very hard. But for me at least some I know there's many people who get, you know, the shorter version of the diagnosis, and they're okay with that. And that's fine. But for me, it was good to see, to see my strengths. But also, like I said, it was heartbreaking to see my weaknesses, because I know, in my case that yeah, I don't remember many things. When I read, especially now that I'm reading so much, I understand what I'm reading, but I don't remember the details and the things that come to discussion, like names of authors, or you know, it's very specific things that come up in the reader that are sometimes simple for people to keep in their head, I can't keep all of that, and what I was doing one of the tests that were given to me, and one of the exercises, I almost broke into tears, because I realized just to what level I'm not able to recall, facts that are given to me within minutes. And that was very, very sad. But you know, now I know, I know what I need to work on. And I know that there are things that can help me so that I can be successful. And you know, reading whether it's for school or for just for pleasure and growth.

Annabelle Williamson  

Thank you for being vulnerable and sharing. That was interesting as I am. Our journeys have been so intertwined and linked, but also so very different. Like I am one of those people that like, once I got that initial, he's like, oh, yep, you got ADHD, would you like to go into the more? Like, I can go into it more? And I was like, oh, no, that's okay. That's all I needed. So, I was one of those that I didn't go further. And medication for me, I did try. And I gave it a two-week run. And the best way I could explain it was I told my husband, it felt like a weighted blanket. For my brain. It felt like I had something that was just like, just breathe. And it allowed me to focus on one thing at a time in a way that I had never experienced before in my life. However, I felt that it took away so much of my personality and my identity in those two weeks. Because I was a different, I really was a different Annabelle. So, I didn't love how I felt on it. So, I've had to explore other alternative things. And a lot of those I'm going to share in our work or our presentation that we do together at ACTFL. But the podcasts I ended up looking up the names that we were missing because our brains are so full and that's the beauty of it too is like we do have a lot of weaknesses and a lot of challenges that come with this. But there are so many strengths. And that's what I'm I try to like lean on and focus on. So, the "XOXO your tough love Coach" is the podcast that I mentioned by Alexis Doss. And it's like a business podcast but I love it. And if you are thinking you might have ADHD it's just a great podcast in general. The name of the person who does the podcast that Bertha mentioned the "I have ADHD podcast" is Kristen Carter. And the person that says this quote that for me is our brains is Dr. Halliwell, and he says, your brain is like a Ferrari engine. And you have bicycle brakes. And I was like, Oh my God. And it's 100%. Why, like, we can hear information and like, my husband can tell me things and minutes later, I'm like, we'd never we didn't have that conversation. He's like, it was literally four minutes ago. And I'm like, No way. But if I was doing anything, at the same time, there's no shot at recollection, like, it's not that I don't care. Because I care deeply. I care deeply about the people around me; I care deeply about my students; I care deeply about my family. But so much of what's going on my brain is going 100 million miles an hour, and, and shutting it off at night, is next to impossible. And that's what finally made me go and get a diagnosis was this man that said, he will work with me, told me he refused to talk to me, or diagnose me until I got my sleep hygiene under control and my drinking under control. Because I was drinking between two and three glasses of wine a night, at the very end of my night. Because it was the only way I could shut down my brain. Because, you know, I come home from school. And then I'm straight into work, work, work, work, work for my business. And then you know, I was finishing that around 11, maybe midnight, and then I want my downtime. So, I'm going to sit on the couch with my husband, and we're going to watch our shows. And I'm going to have wine to literally slow my brain to the point where I can sleep, because it's the only way I was sleeping. But I was only getting four hours a night. And I wasn't a morning person, never have been and so when he said oh no, I won't even talk to you. I was like, how rude first, you're a doctor, like, you will talk to me darted, but he was so hell bent on like, me realizing that there's got to be an alternative way to shut down my brain to the wine, and that I, my whole body, my brain, everything needed rest. And he was like, you’re gonna dig yourself in an early grave, right? You're gonna be dead by 40. At the rate you're going.

Bertha Delgadillo  

I've heard that statement to several of my doctors about certain behaviors. And that comes from the impulsivity from ADHD.  

Annabelle Williamson  

Yes. And when we, one of our strengths is this hyper focus that we do get when we are on fire. Isn't that when you see our emails and our pod, like our blogs that we put out. Or Bertha's emails are like loaded with amazing content, and there's so much to them. That's because when we get on that track, and we are hyper focused, we can do anything, and we are beasts. But we also have this opposite side that I mentioned where it's a shutdown, like you wouldn't believe where we just can't get started on anything, not even those five-minute tasks that legit would just take us five minutes if we could just start. And that's like the freeze state, right? Do you have any other either weaknesses or strengths that you can mention that have come out of your diagnosis? 

Bertha Delgadillo  

Um, well, I mean, yes, you mentioned the hyper focusing and like you said, when we are super passionate, especially when we're super passionate about something, it is so easy to knock down something that will take people a week in a day. I mean, it's no kidding, because you it's just like, don’t interrupt me and say this is just, I'm just here and this is gonna get done and just to an obsessive point. But it's a beautiful thing to see what you can do. And I think that a lot of times you, procrastination of course is also that especially for things that you don't enjoy doing and just delaying that. I would say that it's not necessarily I mean I it's not in the categories of strengths or weaknesses but something that I must say people if people who are listening if they have followed me for a long time my account you know Annabelle that after COVID I was first diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder and I was going through a really badly at that time and then I learned how to cope with it. And now that I'm you know, back into doctoral program, it's has resurfaced, but you know, I have better skills to cope. However, now that I'm doing I'm also talking to a therapist right now, pretty often and with that being said, she pointed out something to me about how for people who have ADHD, whether it's best diagnosed or undiagnosed, and I'm saying this, you know, just as a regular teacher, not a doctor or anything, this is just my experience that, especially women, you know, they don't get diagnosed with ADHD, they get diagnosed with anxiety, but it doesn't mean that they don't have anxiety. However, it's like a, like an anxiety and ADHD and depression go together. Because of, you know, I mean, you, you piled up so many things, and now you are anxious about what's not getting done. And then now you don't get done. Or, you know, you keep feeling like you're missing the mark. And especially if you're undiagnosed, I mean, I know that for me the feeling that was always there was just inadequacy, inadequacy, like, or just feeling like I'm what's happening to me. I'm not, I'm trying to do my best, but I'm not or just feeling like I have no discipline or self-discipline, because people with ADHD, whether that's adults, or students say, oh, they're lazy, or they are but whether we are some of the hardest working people we know. Oh, I mean, I know that. My friends who are teachers who I know, who have shared that they have ADHD are some of the hardest workers. I mean, all teachers have my friends who have said, hey, I have ADHD, there's just super hard-working teachers. But um, I would say that that's something to watch out for the trio anxiety, anxiety, and ADHD and, and depression. And it's something that we have just have to be aware so that we don't, you know, go into that.

Bertha Delgadillo  

Yeah, and I think one of the things that helped me with, because I went through rage, like I went through, when I was initially diagnosed, I went through serious rage and anger. Because, like, even my own mom, who I'm so close with my mommy, like, she's my person, we talk all day every day. But even my mom, when I told her, she said, Oh, well, yeah, sweetheart. And I said, what do you mean? Well, yeah, like, what does that even mean? Like you between you and my friend Rose? And like, all these people are like, of course, you have ADHD? What do you mean, you didn't know? And I just felt like, I could have been diagnosed so much sooner and like, been on this track so much sooner to help myself or to better understand myself. And then I went through like this phase of like, trying to like desperately to understand it more. Right. So, one of the books that Alexis recommended on her podcast was ADHD 2.0. And I'm a person. Yeah, and I'm a person who doesn't read, but I was like, I will get anything. Let me read about this, let me learn about this. And once I started reading more, it was like, empathy, like a flood of empathy for myself and for my brain. And like learning to forgive how ugly I am to myself, about so much. Even you I feel like some of the things you said, I'm like, that but Bertha that even just though like you were beating yourself up, but I'm like, so much of this is really out of our control, we can learn about it, and we can work towards getting better, but it's also like, the magical part of our brain that makes us magical and able to do what we do, you know, it's our superpower. So, it's okay, like, it's, it's forgiving myself for, like, the procrastination, which I didn't know, my whole entire life was 100% my ADHD. 

Annabelle Williamson  

Well, I mean, yeah, and that and that, you know, I am forgiving of that. And well, because that I started notice procrastination in me when I became a college student after high school and you know, every college student procrastinates, I mean, that if you don't procrastinate, are you even a real college student? But, and to me, that was like, Okay, that was then and then. But now as an adult, you know, I was like, why am I? And it was not even procrastination, per se. I just blamed it on lack of prioritizing, but yeah, sometimes I did procrastinate. I just had to own it. And I said, why am I so why do I not have the discipline? Why? What is it? What is it? You know? Like, it's not like, I can't tackle this paper. It's not that I can't read this article. So, it's not that I'm not interested in the topic. I'm like, why do I feel paralyzed and trapped in my own body? You know when I know exactly what needs to get done, and yeah, absolutely. 

Annabelle Williamson  

It is paralyzing. There's no way to describe for people who don't, and my husband is being so empathetically. He's learning with me. And what's great about social media is now that He, you know, because he's on Instagram and Tik Tok a lot of it at the beginning, he was like, oh, okay, well, I'm at on your new ADHD? Like yes, it is my ADHD. 

Bertha Delgadillo  

It's funny that you mentioned that because one of the biggest sources, you know, arguments that I will get into my husband or into it with my husband all the time would be, you don't listen, you don't know how to listen, you're not a good listener. I mean, literally, I mean, it sounds horrible, you know, but the reality is that we have, it's not even selective listening, it's called something else. But we are listening. And we are, we can start a conversation. And then suddenly, you will ask a question, and then maybe the last 10 seconds of that we did not register, or it's going to take or we're going to have a delayed response. Because it takes a moment to process what we're listening to. So, some people with ADHD, myself, I include myself in there, we must work extra hard with listening. And it's not that we don't care. Right? Right. It's just, and you know, it would annoy him because sometimes I will be having a conversation with him, and I will ask him to repeat something. And, you know, him being how he is. It will be, it will be a continuous argument. And now, you know, like you said, I mean, he has more empathy, for that specific aspect of it, but he will also tell me, oh, yeah, blame it on ADHD.

Annabelle Williamson  

Like, but it's fascinating seeing how he's, he's learning things. And he's like, oh, it he'll see things and he'll send it to me and go, you do the same, you did the exact same thing. And because he's learning about it now, too, which is cool. Do you think that your ADHD diagnosis? Before we go, I want to ask this because it's changed my perception of ADHD and my understanding of it. Because, for me, before my diagnosis, ADHD was the really wired boys in my classroom, or my sweet zombies, who I felt like, I wish I could see them and experience them not on medication, because they were zombies in my classroom. So that was my experience with ADHD before my diagnosis, and it's really changed completely the way I interact with my students, and my ability to like, see young females in my classroom, who are not diagnosed, but I'm like, oh, my God, you're a little me, you know? How has it impacted you as a teacher in your classroom?

Bertha Delgadillo  

Same, some, some of the same ways. I have, like, I was telling you that I am very open with teachers, and with my students, I teach high school students. So normally, when I introduced myself at the beginning of the year, I would mention that I avoid certain eating certain things, you know, because I am trying to not go into, I'm currently pre diabetic. So that's why I and I also mentioned that because, you know, students will bring you candy will bring you things and I have a sweet tooth. So, it's already a struggle as it is. And so, I will mention that about me, I will also mention, I mean, that I'm a doctoral student right now, so that I have classes on the weekends. And you know, I mentioned that because I said, maybe you know, you had me last year, maybe I'm gonna have more delays with your grades this year, because I am a full-time student also. And then the other thing I do mention to them is that I have ADHD and I share you know, with them, that they may see certain things in the classroom. And that it's easy to interrupt me and get me off tangent. Or that I am going to interrupt myself 20 times when I'm supposed to be giving clear instructions.

Annabelle Williamson  

Oh my god. So Real.

Bertha Delgadillo  

I hate I mean, now I'm like, oh my God, but when I catch myself doing it and I'm just like, oh my god, are they because you know how in classroom management and one on one is I give short and concise instructions? Well, well, I apparently probably I need a lot of practice with that because it's not happening. It's there's that. But as far as the students go, being that open with them has created space as a space for them to come and ask me questions. They come and ask me questions of if I if this ever happens to me with especially since they also know that I'm a college student. They're like, well, what do you do when you just don't feel like doing that? And you know, and it's I'm kind of hunger. And sometimes it's not necessarily for my class, but they feel comfortable enough. And we have discussion and, and it's it, I really enjoy that fact that they feel that way. And I also have some I share with you Annabelle, some ADHD affirmation cards, and I don't remember who I got them from, but I can see them. And though and they are a free printable, but I actually laminated those, and I put them in my classroom, because I wanted them I have a little, I have a little mirror and you know, some just some Spanish adjectives that just radiate positive message for students, but I have a that those little cards, I have them on the side, and I tell my students, you know, that they could, like, go and read them sometime if they want to. And they're just, they're there, they're there. So, um, I like to have that in there as well. Because, you know, I know, it's been good to remind me because, like you said, sometimes I still put myself down a lot in, in that sense. But, um, but it's, it's a constant. It's a, it's like, it's got its ups and downs, just living with ADHD has its ups and downs. And I also see, like, you say, I'm more noticed, I noticed my students more in the sense that my students will have ADHD more in the sense that, okay, like you said, you have your students who are just so sometimes that one student comes in, and he's full of energy, and some days he isn't, and then it reminds me of myself, too, with my medications, because, you know, for at least for the type of medication that I take, I can take it twice a day if I want to, but um, I don't have to, I don't have to take it at all. And by no means am I dependent on it. But I certainly see a difference when I don't take it, I am not the same person. And I mean, you have you either must decide to live with that or not. And for me to live through it as an adult, I can only imagine what that must be like for a teenager who's still trying to figure out a lot of things in life. So, my empathy has my level of empathy is and then I also because of this, I also have more conversations with my colleagues at work, who may not have any empathy, because they have no clue what this feels like. So, I like to open those conversations. And sometimes people are not so open to them. And it's unfortunate. But it's good that, I guess, in a sense, that's one great one reason why I said okay, you know, if I had to go through this, just that I can talk to other people in my building about it, and what it may feel like for the students and what it feels like for me as an adult, well, you know what, I mean? That's what I must do. So, it's worth it.

Annabelle Williamson  

And of that, in and of itself. I think you got these cards from this website, because I'm holding it, as soon as she said that I grabbed them because they're part of my morning routine. And I pull an affirmation card. But this is a one of the ones that I'll pull in addition. And this one that I just pulled said I'm not attention deficient. I'm attention different, which I love. But it says future adhd.com at the bottom, so we'll link the website in case you want to download them. But Bertha sent me my own laminated set, which is so sweet. But we are presenting together at ACTFL. And we have presented at ACTFL before together on music. And it's such an honor to be able to do it to get together again and our sessions called ADHD Empowered. But the ed at the end is like Empower Ed supports for teachers with ADHD and we're really excited about it's in Philadelphia this November. And we hope that you'll join us there. This was a perfect example of an ADHD moment, both of us this that was the week of proposals being don't do I was like, do you think we shouldn’t do something. Yeah, where should we be out? Let's put it together. And then I'm like, Okay, let's maybe get together like later this week to talk about it. Well, then Friday comes in. It's like dude and we're both like, oh, in a Google Doc. And then lo and behold, like an hour before proposals were due, we submitted this proposal. So, in typical ADHD fashion, we got it submitted and we were very fortunate and lucky and thrilled that it was accepted. But we would love to see you there. And if you are wondering after this episode, if you may have ADHD or have questions, we encourage you to explore that. We are not doctors we don't you know, we were on our own journeys with this, but we do encourage you to start reading more, learning more because it has unlocked a lot of doors for us and helped us learn a lot about ourselves. And we're still learning and growing and will continue to do so before November and then beyond that we're certain. But thank you, Bertha.

Bertha Delgadillo  

Thank you. I just want to mention one more thing. Oh, so sorry that yes, even though or session is support for teachers with ADHD, if you're a teacher who, who doesn't have ADHD, we welcome you. And we would love for you to come because you might have colleagues in your building as well. And having that support system of people who aren't who are neurotypical who understand or challenges and understand, you know, our strengths and weaknesses, or what that can look like it's it, we just must be so grateful for that. So, if you're listening, and you don't have ADHD you are welcome to join our session.

Annabelle Williamson  

Yes, we would love to have you there. It's just like Bertha saying, one of the gifts that we have is because of these diagnoses, we can now talk to people who don't have any idea or who are new, new to it and give a better understanding for everybody. And everybody's journey with it looks so different, like you can hear just from the two of us. It's wildly different. And what we do to help ourselves is different and yeah, but we can't wait to see you in Philadelphia. And I hope you enjoyed this episode. Until next time, we will both be teaching la vida loca and I'm sure Bertha will also be schooling la vida loca and doing all the things because she is literally doing all the things right now and we are sending you all the love that we love you. Thank you so much. Okay, I'll talk to you soon. Bye.